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Rodo

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I have recently installed this TAP on my Toppy (TRF-7170) and I cannot get it to work properly.  I have tried versions 6.0, and the beta versions 7.0, 7.1, etc. and none work.

When I run version 6.0, the TAP appears to start, some words are displayed on the front face of the Toppy but nothing on the screen.  Then the buttons on the remote do not respond.  I left this for a few minutes and nothing appeared to change.

When I run all of the beta version 7's the TAP starts and then soon afterwards the PVR reboots and nothing else happens.

The first time I installed the TAP (latest beta version), I had it set to start at startup.  Then when I turned on the PVR, the TAP started up, then the PVR rebooted and it went into an endless rebooting loop.  Luckily I was able to remotely connect to the PVR via FTP and then just enough time (5 or so seconds) before it rebooted when I was able to delete the TAP via FTP.  I was getting worried that I would not be able to use the Toppy again.

Has anyone experienced this with this TAP?  Anyone know what I can do to get it working?

I lost a large number of shows recently (more than 600).  I managed to recover them with the lost+found TAP and then changed all of the file extensions .RCN names to .MPG (took me a few hours to do).  I have tried watching a few of them on the PC (after I had copied them across from the PVR) so they appear to be ok still. The files are all in the Lost+Found folder.
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GarryB

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RebuildNAV usually works for me.  Before you start though, check the settings.  They are in German but fairly self-explanatory.  There is a setting to turn on or off searching all folders for candidate files.  I have that turned off and so RebuildNAV only looks for candidates in the root of the "Datafiles" folder.  Look for the help file on the web site from which you downloaded RebuildNAV (or in your "Programs" folder).

When started, it should pop a quick message in the top left hand corner of the screen.  In settings, you can set a key to open the list of files being processed from where you can remove files etc.

Settings are changed via the wonderful TMSCommander TAP.

Might not work if your Toppy is recording something or copying files etc.  As with all TAPs, you will know it's working when its name (in the folder listing) turns green.

I've never set RebuildNAV to run from Autostart - ie. I only use it when I have trimmed a file and so my Toppy can't navigate it properly.  I then run RebuildNAV to fix the file.  I'm not sure it will find candidate files if they are created after RebuildNAV starts.  It should just start, find no candidate files and exit.  Don't know why it sent your Toppy into a loop.

You might be able to rename files more quickly with an FTP app on your PC.


Cheers.

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Topfield 7160 (33021), Australian sourced September 2011.
TAPs: AutoStandby, jdaEPGMoreInfo, TimeShiftSaver, TMSMount, TMSTimer
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Rodo

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Thanks Garry. What version of the tap are you using?

I've tried to read the instructions but there's not much info in there.

I turned off RecCopy and initially had it set to scan sub directories of the data files directory. And it crashed everytime. I've now changed it to only scan the data files directory but has not improved. And have moved a few of the corrupted files into this directory

It seems as though the tap has done something as some .inf files have been created and these files have a $ sign listed in them but the .inf files have not been created for all of the .mpg files. And no .nav files have been created. I can watch these files but can only fast forward by pushing the play button and then pressing fast forward. So not ideal.
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GarryB

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I'm using the latest (beta) version of RebuildNAV.  Exactly how are you using it ?  I think it only works on Topfield recording files that have been edited on the Topfield.  They will be files with MPEG Layer 2 containers and MPEG-2 Video (or MPEG-4 for HD).  The VLC player on my iMac says in fact those files are MPEG-1/2 video and audio.

As mentioned earlier, do NOT put it into the Autostart folder.  It's pointless as even if RebuildNAV works properly, it will just start, find nothing to do and quit.

Maybe, it's an issue with your 7170.  Do you have similar problems with other TAPs ?  Try running hard drive diagnostic utilities (eg. HDDInfo from "FireBird").

If you have other TAPs 
running, try stopping them, then testing RebuildNAV.

RebuildNAV takes quite a long time to process a file.  There is a progress indicator which is displayed with the Exit button on your remote.

Good luck.


Edit (4.02pm Oz EST):  Just found out I'm using an old version - 7.0b.  I'll try out 7.1a soon.

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Topfield 7160 (33021), Australian sourced September 2011.
TAPs: AutoStandby, jdaEPGMoreInfo, TimeShiftSaver, TMSMount, TMSTimer
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IanL-S

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The recording must be MPEG 2 ts (transport steam) or H 264 (transport stream) and have the extension mpg.

Ian

PS if your are copying them from a PC it is easier to create the inf and nav files using TFTool app.
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Rodo

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Thanks guys.  I will have to investigate this further.  I have been running many taps for many years and this is the first one that I can remember that has caused issues.  I might try the HDDInfo tap or stop the other running taps.

I have nearly 700 files which I lost (turned on the PVR one day and these recordings had disappeared but disk space said 80 % full).  I then used the Lost+Found tap to recover them.  I then manually renamed all of the recovered files to have an .mpg extension (took me a few mind-numbing hours to do).  Then tried to run the RebuildNAV/Recopy tap in order to watch them again.  So far no success.

I would assume that the recordings are in MPEG 2 or H 264 format as these were created with the PVR.  Correct?  And I would love to use the TFTool app but with nearly 700 files to go through, it would take an eternity to copy them to my PC and then copy them back to the PVR again.  Just copying one recording over via FTP with Wifi took more than 30 minutes.  Oh just thinking, would it be quicker to copy the recordings onto an external hard drive and then connect this to the PC so that I can run TFTool?  How long would it take to copy say a 2 hour recording to the external hard drive?  I might have to try this out.
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GarryB

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Copying 700 recordings will take a long time especially with your slow WiFi.

I suspect the fastest method would be to use ethernet.  Can you connect your Toppy to a PC using an ethernet cable ?  If so, you might be able to get up to 100Mbps – the 7170 has a 10/100baseT ethernet card.  That will be faster than copying to a USB external drive then copying again to the PC.  Yes, the best way to handle it would be with an FTP client.

Going forward, it might be sensible to have a spare external drive for backing up all your important recordings.  I have backed up my new recordings every day to a USB drive (powered by the cable).  The Topfield can only back up one file at a time.  However, you can use the FTP client on your PC to backup folders and files in one go.  For that, you will need the TMSMount TAP which makes an external drive visible from the Topfield file archive.

Cheers.

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Topfield 7160 (33021), Australian sourced September 2011.
TAPs: AutoStandby, jdaEPGMoreInfo, TimeShiftSaver, TMSMount, TMSTimer
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